The Ocean City Lawsuit Explained, a Bit.

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Ocean City, Maryland, Spring 2017. This photo was taken just before the Town of Ocean City passed the emergency ordinance addressing the “panic” officials claim bare-chested women would create on the beach.

 

So after a summer of patient deliberation turned into an autumn of patient deliberation, we have finally filed our civil rights complaint against the Town of Ocean City’s unconstitutional ordinance banning female, but not male, bare-chestedness.

Rather than rehash the story, which is easy enough to find on this blog and through a simple Google search, I thought I would instead do an FAQ about topfreedom and what parts of this lawsuit I can speak to for the benefit of supporters and detractors checking in here as a result of the recent news coverage regarding our lawsuit.

Please understand that I cannot answer certain questions, mostly the ones that require me to make legal arguments.  Lawyers are involved now… finally.  Thank goodness.  So with that said, welcome, or welcome back.  I’m excited to have this underway.

Q:  There are so many bigger concerns in the world.  Why is topfreedom important and why are you putting so much effort into this?

A:  At first glance, there probably do seem to be many more important struggles going on in the world than women having the right to go bare-chested in public.  But in the broader sense, the topfreedom movement has arisen over decades as a response to a society that has continued to blame women for rape and assaults instead of holding their attackers wholly responsible for their crimes.  Decades of using a woman’s attire against her during rape trials led to some activists removing their shirts and declaring, “Not even now.”  Meaning, not even when completely unclothed does a woman bear responsibility for being assaulted or raped.  The fact that this criminal responsibility has been so difficult to establish has driven and emboldened the topfreedom movement.  Topfreedom now also addresses other areas such as body shaming, body positivity, bullying, forced modesty, entrenched prejudice and gender stereotypes, bias in women’s health and so on.  And what that all means is that at its core, our lawsuit against Ocean City is about the single most important challenge facing American society today broadly speaking, namely… are we a society in which all people are governed by one set of rules, no asterisks, no exceptions?  Is the United States a land of equality or inequality?  Nothing is more important to the future of the United States.  Nothing.

Q:  What has taken so long?  The ordinance was passed in May… it’s January.

A:  Right?  This blog exists primarily to help other topfreedom activists or potential activists and supporters, of all genders, by sharing information and experiences as I have them.  So in that vein, here’s what took so long.  First, unless everything goes exactly perfectly, the law is very, very slow.  But that in itself does not account for the time between Ocean City’s ordinance and our filing this complaint now, all these months later.  First, Ocean City made their ordinance in a panic over a social media frenzy they perceived to be a big deal but actually wasn’t.  As a result, they drafted an amateurish, vague and short-sighted ordinance.  Not wanting to panic in return, I set about drafting a thorough response and seeking a lawyer who actually believed in the case.  It took me awhile to find an attorney who would take the case and in fact, the one who eventually did, Devon M. Jacob, a civil rights attorney from Pennsylvania, actually found me.  I had already approached the ACLU who offered to potentially help another attorney but declined to take the case as the primary attorneys themselves.  That left me navigating between what ended up being six different attorneys all giving me wisdom and advice and tangible writing and research support, none of whom for various reasons could actually take the case officially, but all of whom ended up providing research and assistance which I provided to Devon for his research and writing.  Devon pitched the idea that we make a class action suit, which means a group of people objecting to the ordinance instead of just me, which I wholeheartedly agreed to.  But that meant tracking down a half-dozen women not just willing but able to join, and each time one joined, it meant giving that person the time and information needed to read, understand and ask questions about the complaint she was signing her name to.  We also went out bare-chested with each of them, to make sure they really believed in all this and to give them the opportunity to really know what they were getting into.  Six intelligent and earnest co-plaintiffs meant a lot of drafting and redrafting.  (It’s five now, one had to drop out for personal reasons.)  Then Devon received the drafts back and went to work on them and around we went again.  If it had just been me bringing this complaint, we would have been filed months ago.  But it was important to every one of us that we show this is not just one woman raising this concern, but that other women agree and feel the same.   Complicating matters was that Devon is licensed to practice in Pennsylvania, so he had to make arrangements with a local attorney to sponsor him for this one case in Maryland.  It is a normal thing for civil rights attorneys to do, but it takes time.  Long and short, finally, the complaint is filed.  It is well-written, contains accurate and thorough legal and social arguments, and gives us our best chance at success at the federal court level.

Q:  What happens if you win?  Or lose?

A:  This is one of the questions I can’t answer except to say we have asked for an injunction against the ordinance.  Whether it is granted or not will begin their respective chains of events, which basically both hopefully end up with equality in Ocean City and Maryland.  When it all washes out, I will try to make a definitive history of the thing.

Q: What about the children?

A: Exactly.  Each generation that grows up with the same entrenched stereotypes as the last further deepens the divides and inequalities.  Each generation of girls that grows up thinking they are inherently inferior to boys, and of boys that grows up with the belief they are inherently, legally superior to girls, deepens the divide.  Every image that sexualizes the female breast adds to the stigma that discourages mothers from breastfeeding and girls from feeling confident in their bodies.  Children are not upset by seeing female breasts.  I’ve been doing this long enough to assert that children are upset when their parents tell them to be upset, when they see their parents react with hostility, fear or anger toward a bare-chested woman.  Those children learn from their parents that men and women should be governed by different rules, laws and expectations.  I think about the children every time I do this work.

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Seen in the window of a community-based non-profit just outside Ocean City, 2017.  Superhero made stronger by being bare-chested, to the point he is literally wearing everything else except chest covering.  The bulging muscles, direct stare, crotch bulge, the hovering female head just above the bulge, the large and obvious nipples…this is an image a charity organization felt comfortable displaying in its front window, and why not?  It is perfectly normalized.  Put female looking breasts on it and see what happens…

Q: Why are you forcing your beliefs on me/my children/others?

A: We live in a pluralistic society, which means we live in a society of differences and compromises.  Our belief systems bump into each other constantly.  What I hear when someone objects to me “forcing” my opinion on them is, “Why aren’t you accepting my opinion of what your rights should or shouldn’t be without objection?”  People often only believe in free speech and open expression when the ideas expressed agree with their own.  When an opinion challenges or conflicts with their opinions, they feel it should be banned.  The Constitutions of the United States and of the individual states within the union guarantee me rights.  I am exercising them without apology.   I have a right to assert my equality in this country.  Women in many countries lack this right.  I do not take mine for granted and I do not intend to remain silent on the topic.  Treat men and women equally under the law.

Q: What gives you the right to go naked in public?

A: This is a one of those comments with multiple elements to unpack.  First of all, a bare-chested woman is no more or less “naked” than a bare-chested man.  But more than that, what I hear when someone asks me “what gives you the right to do” whatever, is that they are not making a legal query, but a moral one.  In other words, in places like New York and Washington D.C., what literally gives me the right to walk around bare-chested is the law.  But that’s not what they really mean.  They mean something more troubling.  They mean what gives me the agency, the power, the decision-making ability to make this act without considering the objector’s feelings?  But we never, ever ask this question of a bare-chested man jogging, mowing the lawn, hanging out at the pool.  Ever.  Men can make these decisions for themselves without being asked to consider the feelings of others.  It is not the same for a bare-chested woman.  It implies an expectation of modesty for women that does not exist for men.  And modesty can, among other things, keep a person from voicing other opinions too, like objections to harassment, assault, inequality and discrimination.  There’s a reason modesty is used against women.  And there’s a reason people fear immodest women.

Q: Don’t you see that by going bare-chested you are asking to be raped?

A: I’m not.  In fact, I’m not asking for anything.  I’m demanding that I not be raped, and that if I am, that my attacker is punished to the fullest extent of the law, as supported by a society that affirms gender equality in practice and principle.  I’m asserting that a woman’s attire, or lack thereof, shall not be used against her to explain why someone chose to attack her.

Q: How are you paying for this lawsuit?

A: Our attorney, Devon M. Jacob, is representing us on a contingency.  If we win, he will petition the court for legal fees, to be determined by a judge and paid by the defendant.  If we lose, he doesn’t make any money.  He believes in the cause, in our chances, in our legal standing, and stepped up and volunteered to take the case.

Q:  Admit it.  You’re just seeking attention. 

A:  Yes and no.  The attention-seeking that I am doing is represented by this blog, not in my walking bare-chested.  Ideally, I wait for a world in which anyone of any gender can be bare-chested without drawing attention.  There are places in the world like this now.  But yes, I made the conscious decision when I started the blog to seek attention for the cause.  I knew it would mean scrutiny and criticism, but I think that scrutiny is important to transitioning toward actual gender equality.  Each time a person sits with the idea of equality it becomes a little less shocking to the system.  My goal is to make my blog unnecessary.

Q:  What if Ocean City becomes a topless mecca?

A:  This is a humorous question to me, and is often uttered by officials in whatever city is trying to make female bare-chestedness illegal.  I understand what they are doing.  They are trying to incite panic by invoking this image of topless crowds to mobilize people to voice their objections. But if you really sit with the sentiment, what it really means if all of a sudden a place is crowded with bare-chested women is that a lot of women wanted this freedom, and Ocean City or whatever place was denying all those women equality all this time.  The reality is that the social transition will be very gradual.  But the effort to paint a picture of this sudden tidal change is really quite disturbing to me because it means that if women actually want this freedom in large numbers, that makes it even more scary!  I find that hard to swallow.

Q: If Ocean City becomes topless, what is to stop women from going topless at the Little League park or school functions?

A:  Whatever stops men from doing it.

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Berlin, MD Little League, July 2017. Berlin is the neighboring town to Ocean City, through which travelers from the west enter the Maryland beaches. The players on the field are 9 and 10 years old. This gentleman spent the entire weekend bare-chested without complaint.
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Berlin, MD Little League fields, July 2017. Likewise, this well-muscled, evenly tanned, statuesque man walked proudly bare-chested around the ball fields all weekend in a very visually pleasing way, if I may say so. No one asked him to think of the children. Certainly not the moms admiring his chest… or the dads.

 

Q: Why won’t you admit men and women are fundamentally different? 

A: I will.  Some men can’t lift heavy things and get emotional when they are upset.  Some women can lift cars and are stoic as stones.  Every individual on the planet has a unique skillset, regardless of gender.  Drawing the lines at gender feels arbitrary to me.  It’s just uncomfortable for some people to feel that line is not as sharp as they psychologically need it to be.  Men are men and women are women, they say.  Only, they aren’t.  I don’t deny that men and women can be different, but women and women are different, and men and men are different.  I don’t see where we should treat any of these differences, individually or generally, unequally under the law.  One set of rules for all.  Then we don’t have to worry about where we draw the line.

Q:  Why won’t you admit that men are just hardwired to view the female breast as sexual?

A: It’s not the attraction I object to.  I think breasts are pretty too.  It’s the next part… namely that because men are “hardwired,” they aren’t responsible for their behavior.  They are.  The vast majority of men control themselves every day.  The ones who don’t should be held accountable.  It should not be a woman’s job to control a man’s behavior and she should not bear the responsibility when he can’t.

Q:  How can I help with legal fees?

A:  I’ve had a lot of people offer to help with legal fees.  Right now, we don’t have any.  If that changes, and if they become untenable, I will consider reaching out.  But it is important to me that people understand we are not suing for money, only to stop the ordinance and others like it, and that we are not using this as an opportunity to raise money.  With that said, our heartfelt thanks to those who have offered.

Q:  How can I help?

A:  It has been very helpful having readers forward me news updates.  I can’t possibly keep track of it all, and having the collective eyes and ears of the blog’s readership helping me has been huge.  Words of encouragement have been wonderful, of course.  It is especially helpful to hear from women, no matter how able or willing that woman is to go bare-chested.  But I have to say I love hearing from women who have gone bare-chested or would like to.  Also, we have had a lot of very intelligent people offer opinions, thoughts and research through my email breastsarehealthy@gmail.com.  Please feel welcome to share your thoughts with me.  This is a pretty new area of law for our geographical area, and there are so many cases and precedents and arguments and perspectives that affect the final outcome, and they are changing all the time, that having an army of people pondering how to succeed can only help.  I can’t always make a meaningful response (though I do try to acknowledge at least) but please know I read carefully every email I receive.

 

 

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56 thoughts on “The Ocean City Lawsuit Explained, a Bit.

  1. I almost hear “Release the Kraken” in my head as I read this. And I mean that in a good way. If the current #metoo tells anything, is this delay worked in your favor. There’s sharp, very sharp focus now on equality and sexual harassment. Not planned I realize, but this works greatly in your favor psychologically.

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  2. That’s a very well worded and thoughtful FAQ. I wish you and the other women, plus your attorney the best of luck with your case and all your future endeavours.

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  3. Well said. I see you are trying to anticipate your opponents’ arguments. Just know that your cause is fine, your work is appreciated, and should you need financial help please put me on your list. I’ll see if I can get you letters of support from women.

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    1. Hey John. Thanks for checking in on my blog and for sharing your thoughts. For the record, I’ve never rubbed any of my progress in anyone’s face. I think that’s rude. I’m all for disagreeing civilly. Bullying and gloating don’t do much for me in either direction. I get no joy in gloating and I feel no insult when people try to bully me or gloat over my shortfalls. I put my position out there for public debate, I play fair, one side wins, one side loses, shake hands at the end and go on with life. So welcome to the blog, sincerely. I appreciate your time. You will find the comment section of this blog to be pretty well-behaved and mannerly. Feel free to share your opinions, I just ask that you do it with respect, which you will receive in return. At least from me. I can’t control other people of course, but my readers have certainly shown themselves to be mature and considered people. Just keep in mind that the federal part of this lawsuit is just a part of this whole conversation, so if you do decide to gloat, like Sean Payton last weekend (“skol!”), just make sure you don’t do it too early… Take care. Be well.

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  4. Your wit shines through in this list of (all-too-)Frequently Asked Questions.

    Wishing you and the others co-filing nothing but the best in overturning this ridiculous ordinance! And it is “ridiculous” in the truest sense of the word: worthy of ridicule, and equally worthy of being challenged. Thank you for doing so.

    “My goal is to make my blog unnecessary.” This line, above all the rest, got a particularly emphatic “YES!” out of me. The work you’re doing is very necessary now. Here’s to a better tomorrow where it’s irrelevant, merely a bit of trivia in the history books. I often make the point that men once fought for their now taken-for-granted topfreedom, too, which is so ubiquitous that it’s used as an argument AGAINST our equal rights; I hope to still be around when our current struggle is an equally amazing “did you know?” factoid…

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  5. Thank you from Delaware for your time and sacrifice with this important cause. You are paving the way for our two young daughters to have a better future.
    If the day comes and you send out the call for assistance,,,Anyway my wife and I can help we will!
    We are with you!

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      1. For those of you out there that believe this case is silly or a waste of time, let me ask you this.
        Our little girls are ages 8 and 6 years. Half of the year when outside in our pool and at the beach they run around and play topfree.
        Someone please tell me exactly what “date” is it in the future that my little girls bodies become illegal? (Rhetorical)
        Then please explain to us, how we explain to them that their friends who are boys, Of the same age are permitted to continue to play topfree? (also rhetorical)

        Michael

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  6. For the record Ms.Eline I don’t think breasts should be sexualized but I also don’t think a family resort should become a topless beach that’s what’s great about OCMD it has something to offer everyone. I’ve been going there since 1980 and I personally don’t believe a Maryland court or judge will pass something like this sorry but I’m a little aggravated that this is even news with all the shit going on in this world we have more important things to deal with since you couldn’t drop it I’m gonna be sitting patiently waiting and in a year or two when this finally goes to court and you have to take your ball and go home I’m gonna have a drink in your honor Dilly Dilly oh tell Michael and Jeff I said Hi

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  7. I was amused by your.rather myopic dissertation of the naked breast equality issue.
    I guess it’s popular,nowadays, to place men at the center of all problems and in a lot of cases I assume that is true, but not here,not this time.
    Many of your observations are true, for example, no children are not traumatized at the sight of bare breasts and yes the cycle will not be broken until change happens and yes,naked breasts are not an invitation to boreissh behavior.
    Although you never stated explicitly that men were the roadblock to women running free you also didn’t dissuade you’re readers from thinking that this was the case.
    I would venture to guess that if you polled men on this issue, nine out of ten would be in your corner. So at who’s feet does this issue really lay ? My earnest communication and observations tell me that it’s women who have the problem with bare public breasts.
    Consider this, many many women have insecurity issues especially when it comes to their relationships. Any woman who consistently believes that their man is capable of being unfaithful ,bare breasts of another women would make her crazy and feed that fear if her husband dare glance in the direction of bare breasts. Women are always comparing themselves to other women and insecure women are the ones threatened most by bare breasts not men.
    An aging women, where Gravity has taken its toll doesn’t feel any security with her husband or boyfriend being around perky young breasts even when covered much less naked.
    I wish you would correct, in the mind of you ur readers, where your issue really roosts and in doing so you may want to change the minds of all women.

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    1. Hi, thank you for writing. If you read back through my articles, you will find me discussing each of your points several times. I don’t expect people to have this encyclopedic knowledge of my writing, I’m just saying, I agree with you. And I’ve written these things openly. In fact, I have often written that I feel the vast majority of men are good, solid, well-behaved people already treating women appropriately and I mean that. And I have also said that I think a large part of the societal discomfort that exists around female bare-chestedness comes from women themselves, for a bundle of reasons that includes but is not limited to feeling vulnerable from a sexually competitive perspective. This whole topic is extraordinarily complex in ways, and so simple in others. I just would like to see us move a step forward, so the woman with the “sagging breasts” for example can take joy in her body too, and that “society” would allow her that space by retraining our eyes to know what actual, natural, realistic women look like, because we are actually allowed to see them, as we are allowed to see men. At any rate, I don’t know how much of my blog you’ve read through so I can’t really know what you mean by “myopic dissertation,” except to say I think I’ve proven my willingness to discuss this issue from multiple perspectives. Regardless though, my assertion remains… one set of rules for all people. That’s the bottom line for me, equality in the application and enforcement of law. What society does with those liberties is a whole other chapter, but for now, I’m working on creating a set of actual laws that applies equally to all. The societal pieces of this puzzle will be evolving for a century after the law equalizes. But they won’t evolve at all if we aren’t allowed to even try… does that seem fair?

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    2. The way you start this is somewhat unfair and uncalled for, which is a shame as otherwise you make some important points. Indeed I raised something similar in another blog here only yesterday. Read a few posts here they are well written and the comments are also even when changing.

      I agree (quite strongly) that allot of feminists material does have a strong women are good and men bad theme, I don’t like that and don’t agree with it. I didn’t think that here, I thought the posts and discussions are fair.

      I’ve not seen the specific items referred to in the reply, I don’t know how old they are and perhaps a reprise and a freshen up would be great. My view is it is a massively important issue.

      I’ve only ever witnessed one instance of a man behaving visibly badly toward a topples or naked woman (and he was brilliantly dealt with by the women) but I’m sad to say I’ve witnessed many more instances of what I’d identify as inappropriate behaviour from women.

      So to finish can I ask for two things. A debate on the points we make and perhaps you try and think a little more on how to open a discussion. Thanks.

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  8. In many ways the arguments in this case will resemble those made in gay marriage lawsuits.
    On the pro side the argument is one of equal protection (if a man can go topless why can’t a woman, similar to if a woman can marry a man why can’t a man marry a man). I wouldn’t waste time trying to use 1st amendment freedom of expression arguments as these have been continually shot down by the courts on numerous occasions in both topless and nudity lawsuits.
    On the con side the arguments will be similar … “yuk we don’t want to see that” or ‘what about the children’ or ‘goes against religious beliefs’, etc.. It may be beneficial for your attorneys to go over the transcripts of all the gay marriage court cases if they haven’t done so already. Wish you the best of luck and thanks for the updates!!

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  9. Thank you for your efforts. Equality is essential. And, principles are important.

    The Maryland Constitution, via Article 46, guarantees: “Equality of rights under the law shall not be abridged or denied because of sex.” Therefore, by law in Maryland, the right to be top-free may not be denied women, but not men.

    Regardless, women should always be treated the same as men. For everything. Always.

    Thank you again. Please let everyone know if/when we might be of help.

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  10. Thank you, again, for composing an intelligent, mature blog post to explain the almost six-month wait between posts. Sounds like you have the right help, doing the right thing, the right way. As a couple of the commenters demonstrate, you will continue to have haters even if^H^H when you win.

    I will continue to talk seriously about the topic wherever and whenever I am able. And I haven’t forgotten about the mapping project! The #metoo movement may make this a very warm and busy summer, and we need a way to keep track of it all. (Anyone out there willing to help with a database and mapping project to keep track of local progress, please contact me.)

    Keep up the good work!

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    1. It’s always good to hear from you. I hope all is well on your home front. Your contributions are always meaningful and helpful. Sorry for the gap in articles… I was working hard not to make mistakes…it’s hard to keep quiet! But hopefully the discipline pays off. Fingers crossed.

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  11. A well written FAQ that is clear and to the point. I think you have a reasonable chance to prevail especially now that there are precedence in other states and municipalities. In the Facebook post about the law suit, the majority of the negative comments seemed to be from women. I’ve noticed this phenomenon in the workplace too. Men rally around men much more readily and more effectively than women support other women. This might be changing slowly in recent years, but there’s a long way to go. Changing that mind set is really at the heart of what you’re doing I suspect. That’s a lot of freight for you to carry. Keep up the worthy fight.

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    1. Yeah, I agree. Though I do hear a lot of support from women behind the scenes, quite a lot, I think it’s hard for some women to voice that support over social media or in front of their families. I’m working hard to create a context of understanding on the issue so people feel more comfortable saying, you know, I kind of maybe agree with that woman in Ocean City…and not be laughed out of Thanksgiving dinner. Thank you for your time. Be well.

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  12. The New Hampshire Supreme Court will hear our case about equal topfree rights on February 1. Specifically whether cities and towns ordinances that ban women but not men from going topless are unconstitutional.

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  13. I hope the Fourth Circuit judges will finally right the 27 years of wrongs the nation’s judges have been imposing in infringing on women’s topless rights and our nudity rights, both of which are protected under the Free Exercise and Equal Protection Clauses of the US Constitution.

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  14. It was on the radio today that in UK (well England and Wales anyway) that it is 100 today years since women were given the vote.

    There was also some discussion on the Suffragists campaign of legal and peaceful protest that I had not heard of before and I thought of you.

    https://herstoria.com/suffragists-and-suffragettes-an-overview-of-the-votes-for-women-campaign/

    It was also interesting that there were comparisons drawn on the radio of the strength of the debate then and the strength of debate on gender and other equality that is growing today.

    Progress is made in small steps by people who put their head above the parapet.

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  15. This is david in Seattle. With respect to women being able to go topfree, I am not sure if it “helps” them or not in a way that is obvious to spot, but it is surely the case that some of them feel better with that opportunity/right. Also, it is not difficult to search a bit to read of horror stories of principals and staff at some high schools who have abused female students for actual or imaginary infringements of a dress code–where some of the alleged infringement was wearing a shirt and not a bra underneath. Such abuse of the young ladies is a distraction to education and demoralizing.

    If you win then the law goes out or they appeal and you folks try again on the next level up. If you lose, then, you may appeal . . . or sooner or later, you folks decide either to obey a bad law or disobey a bad law.

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  16. By the way, below is what may be an example from a school situation of very poor and irrational behavior on the topic of women’s attire. A young lady student was denied a ride home on the bus for wearing a blue shirt that was one shoulder on and one shoulder off. Being denied a ride home, she then remained at school till a parent picked her after work, which was around 5:45 p.m. and was several hours after the ending of the school day and also after school staff had left . . . Yeah, it is not like the kids at school are going to see a bare shoulder at prom or at exercise or swim class or at the beach . . . but apparently the bare shoulder, one of them, was so bad as to be a serious distraction on the way home of other student bus riders . . . whether it is this young lady wearing an off the shoulder shirt or our hero with the lawsuit and going topfree at times . . . it is not rational and reasonable to be overly concerned about the choice of the women or young ladies.

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  17. Chelsea- Thank you for the excellent updates and, especially, the FAQ’s. Fully understand and agree that you are limited in what you may be able to share insofar as the legal timetable is concerned, but perhaps an update soon? Today marks the first day of spring, and wishing you all the best for a great year ahead. Maybe see you in Asheville, NC this summer!

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  18. If it matters, there is a movement protesting some aspects of the dress codes in high schools in Quebec called the yellow squares movement. The students involved are asking for the right to have bare shoulders and/or to not be wearing a bra every day, among other things . . .

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    1. A 17 year-old in Florida was removed from class for being braless. Informed that she was a distraction to the boys and given band-aids to put on her nipples. This was just 3 days ago. Liz@lizzymartenez has the story. Just wrong.

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      1. you or I or some other need to create a website or other place where people can monitor what comes of the situation in the Florida school. The last I heard, the school had tolerated a bracott day a few weeks after the negative event, but also the district was planning on imposing a bra-wearing requirement in the dress code for all girls of a certain age or grade, for next year . . .

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  19. Ok I know it is off topic and I guess you probably saw it but I was reading about Liz Martinez this poor girl was told to Wear Bandaids Over Nipples, and Ordered by Teachers to “Jump Up and Down” just because she did not wear a bra under a perfectly respectable and appropriate top.

    https://www.bustle.com/p/this-florida-teen-was-told-to-place-band-aids-over-her-nipples-in-yet-another-dress-code-fail-8735344

    Again this appears to be women doing this to other women. If some young lads were looking a bit too long why not just educate them, breasts are beautiful but just behave in a responsible and respectful manner. It’s not even in any of the reports that Liz herself mentions others behaving inappropriately, other than the teacher.

    This looks like a straightforward case of sexual harassment, could you even imagine what would happen if a man engaged on the conversation.

    I have seen lots of school dress code notes where I think the girl may have been stretching a point a little, you know it is fun to push against rules and experiment a little but this does not look like that it just comes across as disgusting inappropriate bullying.

    Anyway let red mist clear and calm down.

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  20. From following what information is available as a matter of public record, it seems that the strategy of the OC government is to stall — first with two requests to delay for more time to prepare, and more recently with a request to dismiss on technical grounds which (while I am not a lawyer) I suspect that any experienced civil rights attorney would have avoided had he thought there were any merits to the grounds for dismissal. While cowardly and annoying, I’m happy to take this as a sign that you, your attorney, and your co-complainants have the town of OC on the run! Keep up the good work.

    Oh, and seeing that I’m a guy, and a straight one at that who might be easily dismissed as just some perv who wants to see boobs, I’d like to add that the article in the news that first brought your lawsuit to my attention was pointed out to me be my wife, a wonderful woman in her sixties who was raised as a good Catholic girl, and who with me is now also rooting for you and for women’s rights in general.

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    1. Thank you for writing and welcome. We have enjoyed, and appreciate, all the sincere support we have received from men. As I have said in the past, I think the majority of men get it and know why it is fair and important. With that said, thank you also to your wife. Your assessment of OC’s approach is accurate. It will be interesting to see how the court rules for the injunction request, and when. OC keeps punting, and buying another season, and another. In this environment, it may work. But it makes them look less than confident in their actual legal argument. Time will tell… Thank you again. Be well.

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  21. Why not move to Florida and fight the crazy laws het e?

    They have an incredible description of “nates” and other hetetofore unknown body parts brought in by South American girls wearing things. My Mexican GF got harassed at a pool about her thing which was far larger than the strippers who were there, too. I explained she was there with me, a resident, and asked to see what “rule” they were enticing. They mumbled and backed off.

    Naturally, she tgen took off her top, followed by the giggling strippers. We left ahead of the cops, but you get the idea.

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    1. Thank you for writing. I have visited Florida. You can read about my experience in the blog post about Miami. Thank you again. Let me know if you guys have any other barechested experiences. Be well.

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  22. Hi Chelsea,
    I’m glad all is well, and thanks for the update. I’m glad your suit is filed, and that you were able to assemble a class of women to join.
    Now that it’s Memorial Day, any further update?
    Happy beginning of summer,
    Bruce

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  23. I just returned from a week in OC where the “feels like” temps were around 100 degrees. There really was very little reason to wear ANYTHING; certainly being topless for a woman would be more comfortable. As it was the bras I saw were hardly there and it made little sense to wear them given the excessive heat. Women should be free to empower themselves to be comfortable and to be left alone.

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  24. One other comment: I saw a few men with breasts much larger than most women’s. Personally, I find this distasteful, but why should those men be free to go top free while there are so many women not so well-endowed who must cover up? It really is a women’s rights issue.

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    1. Agreed on the equality part. I don’t personally find barechested people distasteful regardless of their appearance, shape or size, or sex, but it will be wonderful someday to have equal laws for all.

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